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  1. Joseph

    Joseph Line ID: get_murked Gold Member

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    Well it took some doing but I finally got a restatus scroll from Wolfnir aka @Leo Striker without him I wouldnt be able to have fixed this revised Stat guide so be sure to thank him.
    NOTE: I was an sa while doing this but took off all weapons and armor for the str vit and men sections the dex I needed to equip a weapon to find out the minimum dex increase and thus how I found flaws in the old stat guide that was made by a member of Thai Gang.

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    I'm kinda having trouble reading that DEX column, homie. The DEX to HIT ratio is pretty clear. It works like all the other stats and gives you a bonus every 20. But the rest of what DEX does is still mysterious. We still don't know what that HIT number represents, it seems to effect crits but its not a straight percentage. I'm still trying to figure out DEX's relationship to minimum attack (MinATK) and minimum magic attack (MinMATK) so I did some tests on my lvl 30 xtal farmer. I restatused, reskilled, and equipped him with an unstrengthened 1* Knife. The Knife starts out 32-44 ATK and 15-27 MATK. Those minimums are on the top line next to zero DEX. It's strange how the two stats go up at different points as you raise DEX. Also notice my magical attack went up 8 times over 63 DEX but the physical one only went up 6 times over same period. curious stuff

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    |_________DEX________MinATK_____MinMATK____Hit_|
    |__________0_________32_________15_____________|
    |__________5_________37_________20__________5__|
    |__________6_________37_________20__________6__|
    |__________7_________37_________20__________7__|
    |__________8_________37_________20__________8__|
    |__________9_________37_________21__________9__|
    |_________10_________37_________21_________10__|
    |_________11_________38_________21_________11__|
    |_________12_________38_________21_________12__|
    |_________13_________38_________21_________13__|
    |_________14_________38_________21_________14__|
    |_________15_________38_________21_________15__|
    |_________16_________38_________21_________16__|
    |_________17_________38_________22_________17__|
    |_________18_________38_________22_________18__|
    |_________19_________38_________22_________19__|
    |_________20_________39_________22_________21__|
    |_________21_________39_________22_________22__|
    |_________22_________39_________22_________23__|
    |_________23_________39_________22_________24__|
    |_________24_________39_________23_________25__|
    |_________25_________39_________23_________26__|
    |_________26_________39_________23_________27__|
    |_________27_________39_________23_________28__|
    |_________28_________39_________23_________29__|
    |_________29_________39_________23_________30__|
    |_________30_________39_________23_________31__|
    |_________31_________40_________23_________32__|
    |_________32_________40_________23_________33__|
    |_________33_________40_________24_________34__|
    |_________34_________40_________24_________35__|
    |_________35_________40_________24_________36__|
    |_________36_________40_________24_________37__|
    |_________37_________40_________24_________38__|
    |_________38_________40_________24_________39__|
    |_________39_________40_________24_________40__|
    |_________40_________41_________25_________44__|
    |_________41_________41_________25_________45__|
    |_________42_________41_________25_________46__|
    |_________43_________41_________25_________47__|
    |_________44_________41_________25_________48__|
    |_________45_________41_________25_________49__|
    |_________46_________41_________26_________50__|
    |_________47_________41_________26_________51__|
    |_________48_________41_________26_________52__|
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    |_________50_________42_________26_________54__|
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    |_________52_________42_________26_________56__|
    |_________53_________42_________26_________57__|
    |_________54_________42_________26_________58__|
    |_________55_________42_________27_________59__|
    |_________56_________42_________27_________60__|
    |_________57_________42_________27_________61__|
    |_________58_________42_________27_________62__|
    |_________59_________43_________27_________63__|
    |_________60_________43_________28_________69__|
    |_________61_________43_________28_________70__|
    |_________62_________43_________28_________71__|
    |_________63_________43_________28_________72__|
    
    So MinATK goes up at 11, 20, 31, 40, 49, 59 DEX
    And MinMATK goes up at 9, 17, 24, 33, 40, 46, 55, 60 DEX

    Do these numbers make any sense to you guys? There has gotta be a pair of equations here but I'm just not seeing them.

    What happens if you don't raise INT/STR and the minimum MATK/ATK exceeds maximum? No more randomness in the damage output? That might be an awesome build for testing elements and skill branches, etc. But you gotta break lvl 30 to try it out.

    Joseph, do you have all the raw data from your full restatus? I think the HIT bonuses are figured out but those minimums are going up in a weird way. I'd love to see the rest of this table.



    Side note: I think I see why the old-timers loved the number 40. It's the only number in this sample set where all three stats go up. (HIT, MinATK, & MinMATK)
     
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    Did you also test your DEX with a stronger weapon with bigger min - max attk/mattk difference?
    Are the benefits increased?
    In case they are,
    Does that mean that minimum attk raises in % instead of a flat number?

    Currently, the only "known fact" is that at 100 dex your min attk = max attk ( I did notice that my min matkk evens max mattk at around 85 dex, but Im a rogue and dual wielding a dagger as MH and sword as OH, which might be the cause for such a strange number to begin with - I never tested or bothered with it either).

    According to logic, 100 DEX is supposed to equalize Max attk and Min attk, meaning that the higher the difference between the 2, the bigger the benefits are, or well, are supposed to be. However does this also include Di as a weapon customization or not is unknown to me.
     
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    I chose the knife because I think it is the only weapon that everyone can equip. I can run the numbers again tomorrow with another weapon & see if there are any differences.
     
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    Or maybe someone knows the answer already. xD
     
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    @Leo Striker already had info about Dex all the way to 150 with the min attack and min matk increases at each level. It would have taken me all day soi just did relative amounts every 10 levels.
     
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    this is Dex without Weapon:

    Dex6+14=2+Hit
    Dex7+14=1+Hit
    Dex8+14=1+Hit
    Dex9+14=1+Hit
    Dex10+14=1+Hit
    Dex11+14=1+Hit
    Dex12+14=1+Hit
    Dex13+14=1+Hit
    Dex14+14=1+Hit
    Dex15+14=1+Hit
    Dex16+14=1+Hit
    Dex17+14=1+Hit
    Dex18+14=1+Hit
    Dex19+14=1+Hit
    Dex20+14=1+Hit
    Dex21+14=1+Hit
    Dex22+14=1+Hit
    Dex23+14=1+Hit
    Dex24+14=1+Hit
    Dex25+14=1+Hit
    Dex26+14=4+Hit*with Weapon it get 1+Min Atk&Matk*
    *Continues with 1+Hit till60*
    Dex46+14=6+Hit
    *continues with 1+Hit till80*
    Dex63+17=8+Hit
    *continues with 1+Hit till100*
    Dex79+21=10+Hit
    *continues with 1+Hit till120*
    Dex99+21=12+Hit
    *continues with 1+Hit till140*
    Dex119+21=14+Hit
    *continues with 1+Hit till160*
    Dex139+21=16+Hit

    this is Dex with Weapon:

    Dex6+10=1+Hit
    Dex7+10=1+Hit
    Dex8+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex9+10=1+Hit
    Dex10+10=2+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex11+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex12+10=1+Hit
    Dex13+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex14+10=1+Hit
    Dex15+10=1+Hit
    Dex16+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex17+10=1+Hit
    Dex18+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex19+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex20+10=1+Hit
    Dex21+10=1+Hit
    Dex22+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex23+10=1+Hit
    Dex24+10=1+Hit
    Dex25+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex26+10=1+Hit
    Dex27+10=1+Hit
    Dex28+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex29+10=1+Hit
    Dex30+10=4+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex31+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex32+10=1+Hit
    Dex33+10=1+Hit
    Dex34+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex35+10=1+Hit
    Dex36+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex37+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex38+10=1+Hit
    Dex39+10=1+Hit
    Dex40+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex41+10=1+Hit
    Dex42+10=1+Hit
    Dex43+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex44+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex45+10=1+Hit
    Dex46+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex47+10=1+Hit
    Dex48+10=1+Hit
    Dex49+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex50+10=6+Hit&2+Min Atk&1+Min Matk
    Dex51+10=1+Hit
    Dex52+10=1+Hit
    Dex53+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex54+10=1+Hit
    Dex55+10=1+Hit
    Dex56+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex57+10=1+Hit
    Dex58+10=1+Hit
    Dex59+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex60+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex61+10=1+Hit
    Dex62+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex63+10=1+Hit
    Dex64+10=1+Hit
    Dex65+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex66+10=1+Hit
    Dex67+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex68+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex69+10=1+Hit
    Dex70+10=8+Hit&3+Min Atk&1+Min Matk
    Dex71+10=1+Hit
    Dex72+10=1+Hit
    Dex73+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex74+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex75+10=1+Hit
    Dex76+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex77+10=1+Hit
    Dex78+10=1+Hit
    Dex79+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex80+10=1+Hit
    Dex81+10=1+Hit
    Dex82+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex83+10=1+Hit
    Dex84+10=1+Hit
    Dex85+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex86+10=1+Hit
    Dex87+10=1+Hit
    Dex88+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex89+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex90+10=10+Hit&4+Min Atk&1+Min Matk
    Dex91+10=1+Hit
    Dex92+10=1+Hit
    Dex93+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex94+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex95+10=1+Hit
    Dex96+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex97+10=1+Hit
    Dex98+10=1+Hit
    Dex99+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex100+10=1+Hit
    Dex101+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex102+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex103+10=1+Hit
    Dex104+10=1+Hit
    Dex105+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex106+10=1+Hit
    Dex107+10=1+Hit
    Dex108+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex109+10=1+Hit
    Dex110+10=12+Hit&4+Min Atk&1+Min Matk
    Dex111+10=1+Hit
    Dex112+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex113+10=1+Hit
    Dex114+10=1+Hit
    Dex115+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex116+10=1+Hit
    Dex117+10=1+Hit
    Dex118+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex119+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex120+10=1+Hit
    Dex121+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex122+10=1+Hit
    Dex123+10=1+Hit
    Dex124+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex125+10=1+Hit
    Dex126+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex127+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex128+10=1+Hit
    Dex129+10=1+Hit
    Dex130+10=14+Hit&5+Min Atk&2+Min Matk
    Dex131+10=1+Hit
    Dex132+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex133+10=1+Hit
    Dex134+10=1+Hit&1+Min Matk
    Dex135+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex136+10=1+Hit
    Dex137+10=1+Hit
    Dex138+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex139+10=1+Hit
    Dex140+10=1+Hit
    Dex141+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk&Matk
    Dex142+10=1+Hit
    Dex143+10=1+Hit
    Dex144+10=1+Hit&1+Min Atk
    Dex145+10=1+Hit
    Dex146+10=+Hit
    Dex147+10=+Hit
    Dex148+10=+Hit
    Dex149+10=+Hit
    Dex150+10=+Hit
    at the Time I could only go up to Dex 155 but I did this with Dagger equip and this was it did. Dex itself is a Mystery Str,Int are Straightforward Men,Vit Depends on What Class you are Wr,Ro,Cr,Ra,Ac,Ma and then our Advance Classes Also Affect some of these Stats as well
     
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    judging by your table, min damage overall IS % based.
     
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    It must work differently for each class? Leo's Rogue got +16 MinATK over the first 63 DEX while my Ranger only got +6. We got the same +8 MinMATK but it rose at different DEX levels.
     
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    lol Dex is Definite a Mystery cause Now we Need Ac,Ra,Ma,Cr to go put Stat Points in Dex from 5-150 but not Confirm it meaning just to see what it does not actually go Full Dex(Have to say this cause most think I was talking about actually Changing their Build to Full Dex) that how me and @Joseph Found out what Stat Does
     
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    Different weapons, levels, damage itself ?
     
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    could be actually but to be sure someone would have to get lvl 10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90 Weapon and see if Dex changes.(for those that aren't lvl 90 just from your lvl and continue downward from there.)
    or they can just do the Lazy way and just get Weapons that are 10 lvl below theirs and Same lvls as them and see if they change
     
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    Hmm, just ran the numbers on a 30 rogue, same weapon as before. I got the same results I posted upthread as a ranger so class doesn't seem to factor in. The data doesn't match Leo's or Joseph's so it's gotta be effected by weapon or level right? Then I switched back to ranger and tried a different weapon (the 4* BridBa I use to farm xtals). Here are the results: notice for this weapon, the MinATK and MinMATK go up at the same times unlike my original table, Joseph's table or Leo's. Also, I noticed at 60 DEX, they both go up by two. From that bit of info I'd say that the minimums are based off HIT, not DEX. Kinda semantics really, because DEX raises HIT, but I think we are 1 baby step closer to a formula.
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    |__________5________163________119__________5_|
    |__________6________163________119__________6_|
    |__________7________163________119__________7_|
    |__________8________164________120__________8_|
    |__________9________164________120__________9_|
    |_________10________164________120_________10_|
    |_________11________165________121_________11_|
    |_________12________165________121_________12_|
    |_________13________165________121_________13_|
    |_________14________165________121_________14_|
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    |_________61________181________137_________70_|
    |_________62________181________137_________71_|
    |_________63________182________138_________72_|
    
    18 increases over 63 DEX
    BOTH MinATK and MinMATK rose at 8,11,15,18,23,25,29,33,37,40,44,47,50,54,58,61,69,72 HIT
     
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    @urdadi your stats on dex are following mine look at my 50+10 that equals your 60 with mine and Leo we didn't add in the base and core we just substituted it with the 50+10 instead of just making it 60 like you did.
     
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    yes, our Hit numbers are always the same, doesn't matter if u write out 50+10 or simplify to 60. But your minimum ATK and MATK numbers are very different, presumably because you were equipped with a different weapon(they grow at a faster rate than mine did with Knife, and slower than mine did with BridBa). In my two tests, everything is the same except the weapon, the two different weapons produced different results. Some weapons seem to improve greatly with added DEX, others don't.
     
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    Oh of course the attacks are gonna be different cause I used a 80 dag to test and it has higher min atk but the dex stat rate of increase stays the same for everyone.
     
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    well it makes sense that higher lvl Weapons Grow at a Faster Rate compare to lower lvl weapons but what we Need to do is to see Dex with Every Weapon than to see how Dex do then Like I said before we need Ra,Ma,Ac,Cr to put Dex from 5-160 to see what Dex does with their Weapon
     
  18. Memang

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    Just curious, but were the passives (regular and guild) calculated into all this too?
     
  19. Joseph

    Joseph Line ID: get_murked Gold Member

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    That's where the +10 is
     
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  20. Leo Striker

    Leo Striker Adept Rogue Gold Member

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    Yes I did the Test of Dex with Weapon as Ro, and Joseph did it as Sa so We only Gotten +Stats from Basic Class and Guild Passive Skills.
     
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