1. Avabel Forums is looking for a moderator! Interested? Click Here to read more.

help with stunner please

Discussion in 'Creator' started by ziddy, Dec 13, 2014.

  1. ~Rayleigh

    ~Rayleigh One for the money~ Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    1,910
    Likes Received:
    522
    Class:
    Rogue
    Lol just message me someplace other then this thread and we can meet up and go at it, just dont one shot me xD
     
  2. ziddy

    ziddy Member

    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    3
    Class:
    Creator
    In Game Name:
    ziddy
    Seems every class has a dex based passive. Maybe its a sign pure str or int or vit builds are bad....they arnt good anyhow but another clue? I also dont buy into the 40 dex is maximum for crit rate....now dex helps resistance vs stuns too? Hmm
     
  3. flammel

    flammel bored

    Messages:
    58
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    boredom city
    Class:
    Wonderer
    In Game Name:
    k'let/flammel
    Level:
    60
    Guild:
    NightAngel
    Ya I never bothered with listening to everyone and their Stat builds I just went my own way
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. Luxx

    Luxx BARDCORE

    Messages:
    258
    Likes Received:
    89
    Class:
    Wonderer
    In Game Name:
    EviLuna
    Level:
    54
    Guild:
    lostsouls
    I'm a int/dex CR.
    25dex, rest int.
    I'd have to say my stun rate is decent..seems to activate more in pve than PvP..

    Hmmmm~
     
  5. alibaba

    alibaba New Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    5

    VIT helps resistance vs stuns
    MEN helps resistance vs SleepZzz
     
  6. Oceanmk

    Oceanmk Jumping around..

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    384
    Location:
    Singapore
    Class:
    Acolyte
    In Game Name:
    Oceanmk
    Level:
    90
    Guild:
    YONKOU
    Lol complicated stuff xD
    Theory based like critical rate..:rolleyes:
    Who can prove it lol...:p
     
  7. marcocococo

    marcocococo IGN: WiN / Pansit

    Messages:
    1,984
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Poison Garden
    Class:
    Ranger
    In Game Name:
    Pansit / WiN
    Level:
    98
    Guild:
    DeadlySin
    You have any raw data from tests to prove that?
     
  8. alibaba

    alibaba New Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    5
    Reference
    http://wikiwiki.jp/avabel/?%A5%B9%A5%C6%A1%BC%A5%BF%A5%B9

    STR…ATK上昇
    INT…MATK上昇
    VIT…DEF・HP上昇、スタン確率減少、睡眠確率上昇
    MEN…MDEF・SP上昇、スタン確率上昇、睡眠確率減少
    DEX…HIT上昇、基本職パッシブの効果増加

    to translate in Japlish for English players
    VIT- chances of getting stun rate lessen. but sleep will be higher

    MEN - chances of getting stun increases but chances of sleep reduce


    * Fat VIT boy Full VIT or VIT200+ will be good against stun but loves sleeping
    * FIT MEN boy (Full MEN or MEN200) will be weak against stun hitting his skinny bone but he dont enjoy sleeping :)

    They made this game this way so that no character or class will be invincible. Its the Japanese way of thinking. the cycle of life and zen
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. Oceanmk

    Oceanmk Jumping around..

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    384
    Location:
    Singapore
    Class:
    Acolyte
    In Game Name:
    Oceanmk
    Level:
    90
    Guild:
    YONKOU
    Yeah i saw that too.. and informed @~Rayleigh my Men > Vit Wonderer acting weirdly because of all the stun sleep interaction :p

    Stun and sleep immortal lol..with wonderer anti stun skill :D
     
  10. marcocococo

    marcocococo IGN: WiN / Pansit

    Messages:
    1,984
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Poison Garden
    Class:
    Ranger
    In Game Name:
    Pansit / WiN
    Level:
    98
    Guild:
    DeadlySin
    I see :O so they finally disclosed that info.
    Now i know why i always fall asleep from gd sleep skill.. Btw, is that wiki made by ppl working for asobimo?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. alibaba

    alibaba New Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    5
    STR & DEX will eat you alive! lol
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  12. Oceanmk

    Oceanmk Jumping around..

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    384
    Location:
    Singapore
    Class:
    Acolyte
    In Game Name:
    Oceanmk
    Level:
    90
    Guild:
    YONKOU
    Tank it through lol, hope by then can make attacker sleep ..zZZ with Geo Dancer skill. With Dual Human Weapon will make damage balanced up :)

    This is a fair game i guess :p
     
  13. ~Rayleigh

    ~Rayleigh One for the money~ Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    1,910
    Likes Received:
    522
    Class:
    Rogue

    Explains why i am often stuned by so many.

    If this is the case those sleep orbs might prove more useful then first thought
     
  14. Oceanmk

    Oceanmk Jumping around..

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    384
    Location:
    Singapore
    Class:
    Acolyte
    In Game Name:
    Oceanmk
    Level:
    90
    Guild:
    YONKOU
    Those sleep orb may combo well with geo dancer sleep skill. Increase the sleep chance ;)
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. ~Rayleigh

    ~Rayleigh One for the money~ Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    1,910
    Likes Received:
    522
    Class:
    Rogue
    Or any multi hit class really.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. Oceanmk

    Oceanmk Jumping around..

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    384
    Location:
    Singapore
    Class:
    Acolyte
    In Game Name:
    Oceanmk
    Level:
    90
    Guild:
    YONKOU
    Suddenly that hard-punching monk give me 5 sleeping tablets~ and go hidden. Oh gosh -_-

    And this stunner thread is gonna see creator make some interesting build soon.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. alibaba

    alibaba New Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    5
    Yes indeed. I believe Asobimo will prove to many earlier players that the OP theory of having 200, 220-240 for a single stat is wrong. This theory will do more harm than good to the entire game balance and eco system. Take a look at our current store price. If this is Diablo3, many seasoned players would have voiced out.

    Like Genesis said "the world needs a new hero "
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  18. Oceanmk

    Oceanmk Jumping around..

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    384
    Location:
    Singapore
    Class:
    Acolyte
    In Game Name:
    Oceanmk
    Level:
    90
    Guild:
    YONKOU
    The game crave balance lol as they stop given stat at 150, giving some 3:1 ratio balance. Str > Dex actually balance out by given you critical but make the critical based on the max attack when dex boost min damage..

    Int > Vit (150 > 48) given stats give 3:1 ratio.
    - 1 weapon and 3 armor balance up the stats.

    For wonderer Men > Vit also follow the same 3:1 rule (or avabel natural law~) To be unsleepable or unstunable.

    Therapy melody heal also make 3:1 ratio for the heal power (1 men heals the same as 3 str) [] [] [] Men > Str/ Str > Men with 2H Spear.
    When dual wield weapon make the two weapon add together divided by two (equal to one weapon).

    With 2 dual wield human weapon will have about the same damage as 1 single human 2H weapon.

    And lastly therapy melody heal will not be affected by the weapon damage, that makes dual wield weapon a possible option. Purely Str/Men and Skill level affects Therapy melody. That's where all this balancing thoughts of the creator of this game so amazing. For priest i have found out even more about the 3:1 balance thing but it will be essay writing lol a bit out of topic lmao.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2015
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  19. marcocococo

    marcocococo IGN: WiN / Pansit

    Messages:
    1,984
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Poison Garden
    Class:
    Ranger
    In Game Name:
    Pansit / WiN
    Level:
    98
    Guild:
    DeadlySin
    I would choose vit over men anytime. I once had 150 vit, did a lot of pvp against cr's but i dont notice any difference in stun resistance compared to having low (below 50) vit. I believe the same goes to men-sleep resistance. Maybe it gives resistance but not too much, not to the point that people will start pumping men.

    Having over 200 points on one stat can be good too depending on what your goal is. Like having 200+ str/int/dex (going for max damage) is the best gdm build for experienced players while full vit is for 1v1. So focusing on one stat means ul be having a hard time on the field you are weak at. Ex: full vit on gdm will give you minimal kill score which isn't nice.
     
  20. WHITE94

    WHITE94 Active Member

    Messages:
    125
    Likes Received:
    33
    Class:
    Wonderer
    In Game Name:
    Kogaan
    Level:
    77
    Guild:
    Unique
    Another thing worth mentioning is that until now only 1 class has a sleep skill, that being Geo Dancer. (yes, there is a sleep Orb though, but not everyone is going to have that)

    Also from what i can guesstimate it feels more like VIT makes you vulnerable to sleep while Men makes you vulnerable to Stun. As Rayleigh mentioned having problems fighting Cr (cause he loves MEN), i did notice quite a difference fighting those bard-mermaids from the Resort Area with a VIT build, i fall asleep quite more often.

    I doubt that tbh, rather go Vit to be able to tank a litttle when you're sleeping. Especially when you're a Cr, you know those S and M pots don't sell that good, gotta use 'em up somehow :3 Still don't feel like going for MEN (except with Bd ofc)
     
    • Agree Agree x 2

Share This Page